It looks like Groovy is in dire needs of a project manager.

One of the basic things we all learned along the way is that software is not about perfection. It is about delivering a good enough rock solid product on time. There is always version 2 to add more features. Nobody expects version 1 to be the ultimate solution.

In today world people have come to expect stable beta (remember JDOM betas?), unlike what James comments in Spille blog. If the build is to be highly unstable then it should probably be in alpha stages. Beta stages are all about refinement and limiting feature set to get a release.

Even Open Source projects are not immune to this paradigm, specially for a project which have garnered so much interest.

I think the theme which comes out of these discussions is that Groovy project leads needs to fix a reasonable date of release 1 and stick to it making compromises along the way. And it needs help.

BTW: I tried commenting on the Spille Blog. But then I realized it publishes my email address! I already get lots of spam as it is :(

Guillaume commented on the pressure on the Groovy's developers. That is true. However for an Open Source project which has garnered so much interest, press and enthusiasm all around it is to be expected. That the price for fame :)