Free Eclipse Costs Over 100K per Seat Claims Microsoft Manager免費Eclipse的成本超過100K的每一席宣稱微軟經理
In the VSLive Conference in Orlando, BJ Holtgrewe, Senior Production Manager for Visual Studio made some outrageous claims like:在vslive會議在奧蘭多，北京holtgrewe ，高級生產部經理為Visual Studio取得了一些離譜的索賠，例如：
Holtgrewe’s chat was also peppered with competitive messages, noting that US DevTracker found that 53 percent of software development is being done on .NET these days, leaving Java scrambling for the remainder of the pie. holtgrewe的聊天也peppered具有競爭力的訊息，並注意到美國devtracker發現， 53 ％的軟件開發正在做的。 NET的這些天來，離開華爭奪餘下的餅。
Repeating the Microsoft mantra that “free is not really free,” the programmer showed that while the basic development environment for Eclipse is free versus a basic Visual Studio 2005 license, which costs $8,200, the cost of using Eclipse increases as users tap into load testing and other advanced features.重複微軟的口頭禪， “自由是不是真的免費，自由， ”程序員顯示，雖然發展的基本環境，月食是免費的銀兩的一個基本Visual Studio 2005授權，它的價格八二○○美元，費用使用Eclipse的增加，作為用戶進軍負載測試和其他先進的功能。
When he added it up, the cost of using VS 2005 was over $30,000 versus more than $100,000 for Eclipse-based applications.當他補充說起來，使用成本比2005年超過$ 30000銀兩以上十萬美元為基於Eclipse的應用程序。
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I am really interested to get a hold of the podcast; merely to see how the marketing geniuses at Microsoft can make such tall claims with a straight face.我真的有興趣獲得掌握播客;只是為了看看如何營銷的天才，在微軟可以使這樣的高要求與直面對的問題。
Get over it Microsoft!獲得超過它的Microsoft ！
Eclipse is completely free and a mighty good product by all counts - it shines in individual as well as collaborative development, writing test case (with excellent support for TFD), integration with Application servers, integration with source control systems and tons of other well integrated features.月食是完全免費的和一支強大的良好的產品，所有罪狀-它的光芒，在個人以及協作開發，寫作測試案例（以優秀的支持T FD的） ，整合與應用服務器，集成與源控制系統和噸，以及其他綜合特徵。 Almost anything you can come up with - Eclipse probably has a plugin for it.幾乎任何你能想出-偏食大概有一個插件。
I have used it successfully for many years.我曾用它成功了很多年。 Today Eclipse is a truly polished product and gives any IDE (free or costly or outrageously costly like Visual Studio) a run for its money.今天的Eclipse是一個真正的拋光產品，並給出任何的IDE （免費或昂貴或悍然昂貴一樣的Visual Studio ）來說，其錢。
BTW: Did I mention the upgrades are free too?的BTW ：我提到的升級都是免費的嗎？ - unlike Visual Studio -不同的V isualS tudio
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October 13th, 2005 at 8:31 am 2005年10月13日在上午8時31分
Eclipse still does not touch Visual Studio.月食仍然不觸及的Visual Studio 。 Consider web development with Eclipse for a moment.考慮網絡的發展與Eclipse為一的時刻。 There is absolutely no support for it in Eclipse.是絕對沒有對它的支持，在月食。 That’s half an IDE in my opinion.這是一個半的IDE在我的意見。 Sure, the WTP has come along to remedy this mess, but it would have been nice of them to think about that say three years ago.肯定的是，污水處理廠已來一直為了補救這個爛攤子，但它已尼斯，他們認為那說，三年前。
And if you want to talk about exaggerated claims, your statment that a license for Visual Studio costs $8000 is completely false.如果你想談談誇大聲稱的，您的聲明，許可用於Visual Studio的費用八〇 〇 〇美元完全是騙人的假話。 It is expensive, but costs about a quarter of what you claim above.這是昂貴的，但成本的四分之一左右，你有什麼要求以上。
This is just more partisan microsoft-bashing.這僅僅是更多的黨派微軟撲頭。
October 13th, 2005 at 11:55 am 2005年10月13日上午11時55分
> it would have been nice of them to think about that say three years ago. >它將一直很好，他們認為那說，三年前。
Sure.當然。 What about the current situation?對於目前的局勢？
> your statment that a license for Visual Studio costs $8000 is completely false >您的聲明，許可用於Visual Studio的費用八○○○美元完全是騙人的假話
It is the statement of BJ Holtgrewe, Senior Production Manager for Visual Studio as said in VSLive.這是聲明北京holtgrewe ，高級生產部經理為Visual Studio作為說，在vslive 。
This is not just the cost of the seat license but overall cost per seat as he estimated.這不僅是成本的座位許可，但整體成本每座位，因為他估計。
February 9th, 2006 at 4:06 am 2006年2月9日在上午04時06分
[...] Microsoft manager talked about the true cost of Eclipse, the popular “free” java IDE. [ … … ]微軟經理談到的真正成本偏食，廣受歡迎的“免費”的Java IDE中。 His estimation was 100K per seat which I think is somewhat overblown.他估計是100K的每一席的我認為這是有點過分。 Nevertheless there is a high cost factor associated with open source software which includes (but not limited to) adapting and improving often poor quality product, understanding and documenting often poorly documented products, cost of support, maintenance, cost of security audit etc. [...]不過有一個高的成本因素相關的開放源碼軟件，其中包括（但不僅限於）調整和提高，往往質量低劣的產品，了解並記載往往不佳記錄的產品，成本的支持，維修，成本，安全審計等[ 。 .. ]